My Take: ‘Gay Christian’ is not an oxymoron

Reblogged from CNN Belief Blog:

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Editor’s note: Justin Lee is the Executive Director of the Gay Christian Network and author of Torn: Rescuing the Gospel from the Gays-vs.-Christians Debate.

By Justin Lee, Special to CNN

(CNN)--In high school, I was a Christian know-it-all.

My nickname was "God boy," and I was known for regularly preaching at my friends about social issues of the day.

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RICHARD'S THOUGHTS--As a Roman Catholic Christian who is same-sex attracted (SSA) and celibate by choice, I appreciate Justin Lee so very much. He has captured the essence of the issue here, which is the attitude of so many Christians of all stripes on this topic. We do not have to agree with Justin's theology in order to realize that he, like many of us, has searched so deeply and diligently within ourselves after realizing our attractions, and yet felt far less than free to talk about them even with otherwise trusted family or friends. And that is sad. Actually closer to a tragedy, as it is why many over the years who are sexual minorities have ended up committing suicide. And the LGBT suicide rate, particularly among youth, is high indeed. So whatever your view I ask you to read his words here as well as his book, and his heart. It accurately tells the story of most of us who are either actively LGBT or who may be celibate but struggling with SSA. The battle is a tough one and does not, other than a miraculous intervention from God, ever go away for most of us. I realized my attractions when I was 11 or 12, never acting on them, married a lovely Christian woman at age 23, and finally became divorced 12 years later after realizing I was more alone being married than I was as a single person. All my "choice" to live as a straight person did was hurt people, such as her, who I genuinely cared for but could not ever be "in love" with.

I am now 57 and believe that celibacy for those of us with SSA was and is the Christian ideal, and am living it out as best I know how. But the feelings and attractions are still there, and they are not aimed primarily towards women, but men. That is my reality, and I am not willing to hide that or disappear into the closet once again. There is enough junk in there already.

And it is why I am cautiously optimistic, not so much for me, but for those 30 years younger than me who cannot conceive of living life alone forever, about the passage of the same-sex "marriage" bill here in MN. I do not support the concept of alternative "marriage" from a religious standpoint as such, as my Church teaches and I accept that marriage is a Sacrament, and thus between a man and a woman. And I wish here to be clear on that point.

But from a secular view, and a justice view (which indirectly is in fact based upon my religion in fact) I support it carefully but definitely. Without such protections we could easily go back to the days when gays and lesbians have been beaten in the streets and no one takes the time to notice (which still by the way happens at times). And which happened to me even as a non-sexually active boy who just did not "fit in" as one of the guys during the late 1960s and early 70s. And with the amount of anger on both sides these days, I fear that scenario happening again and again if we do not settle this issue soon and fully.

As a Catholic Christian I know that this, too, (the unkind and bigoted attitude towards lesbians and gays) is an "intrinsic evil" of its own, and the bigger question is which of the two choices best protects society from it and the discrimination which springs from that fountain of hatred. We are directed by the Church to choose that which is "least evil" or least immoral in these types of situations, and that choice is often not an easy one to discern.

To me, and I speak only for me, I believe allowing for, as MN has wisely chosen to call it, "civil marriage" between those of the same gender is a genuine step in the right direction. And I am not "less Catholic" for seeing it as such. I would have preferred, and still would, if we had been able to collaborate and settle differences by some other types of reciprocal benefits instead, allowing for hospital visitation and protection from job or housing discrimination and such, but too much is left to chance in such a compromise, plus neither side (in my view) seriously took the time to lay out this option on the table, and it is now very late in the game to do so.

And a separate but "nearly equal" civil union would almost surely only prolong the agony, because in a year or two the fight for what many call "marriage equality" would be right back on the table--and in the Legislature or Courts. So with that caveat in mind I am glad it appears to be poised to pass tomorrow.

What we now must do is learn to live together. And that means really interact, not just pretend to "tolerate" from a distance. And that goes both for Church and society. The Church does not need to (nor should they) change long-standing doctrinal stances to do so, but many, and I do mean many, within her may need to look within and at least attempt to understand why the LGBT community has wanted this societal change  so desperately in the first place. It is time to wash one another's feet, rather than throwing holy water at our opponents.

In any case that is my view, both as a Roman Catholic lay person and an American citizen.  There are dangers and they  still need to be dealt with. Religious liberty must not go be thrown by the wayside in the quest of "equality for all." Issues of who gets to decide when publicly funded same-sex couple adoptions are done through religious organizations is a thorny one with very few rose petals left on it. Or whether a building owned by a church must rent out their facilities to those same couples for wedding or other types of receptions is too at issue.  Who or what a "religious organization" in the first place is also at stake.

An excellent piece sent to me by a dear friend goes into detail about this from a very different but important viewpoint, and I link it here:

http://www.twincities.com/opinion/ci_23209765/teresa-collett-redefining-marriage-religious-liberty-is-at

There are genuine legal dangers here, and I do not minimize them. But should they stop this bill and its ultimate passage? I do not believe so, if for no other reason than the simple question of  "do the protections outweigh the risks?" And I think that they do.

With all of this said, I think it is time to work together, and that will never begin to occur until this is passed and both groups move forward from the hostility and defensiveness of the last 10 or more years. I believe, and hope sincerely,  that the potential problems which may indeed arise going forward do not outweigh the benefits. All of us need protection in this great nation and world. And Minnesota is taking necessary steps to bring that about.

http://www.startribune.com/politics/206991411.html

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/12/10/jack-baker-michael-mcconnell-minnesota-gay-marriage_n_2271573.html

The articles listed above show a timeline in this debate, which ironically started in MN when Jack Baker and Michael McConnell decided to get "married" (and nearly got by with it) in the early 1970s when LGBT "Pride" was in its infancy, and then an article about this same long-standing couple who could, finally if they choose, become legally married here this summer after over 40 years together. I wonder if they will?

Last but not least, and more important than all other considerations listed by either Justin Lee or myself, is a simple one:  I am in love with Chris Kluwe. Well almost anyway...but to say I respect and admire his tenacity, as a straight man in a heterosexual marriage, for his willingness to stand for all of us, gay or straight, actively LGBT or SSA and celibate, has given me an undying admiration for him.

Besides he's SOOOO hot...I am celibate, but (at least so far anyway) have not gone blind. Deal with it.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/05/10/chris-kluwe-gay-advocacy_n_3253400.html?utm_hp_ref=mostpopular

PROMOTING “JUSTICE”–the tricky balance between COMPROMISE and COLLABORATION in the Marriage issue…

Rita and John's Marriage Certificate

Rita and John’s Marriage Certificate (Photo credit: mary hodder)

I want to be clear as fine crystal on something to all who read this page or my blog–I am not “promoting” same-sex “marriage. I have been, in my life, all over the map on this issue, both before and after returning to Catholicism, and only lately have I realized what has bothered me about both views. I think what I am “for” is protection against injustice. Period.

As to the marriage issue, I would personally have been far more comfortable with some type of “reciprocal benefits” afforded to same-gender couples without bringing marriage into the equation at all. Or, as some have suggested, simply making all marriages “civil” only, and then allowing the individuals involved to decide on whether or not to have them blessed by someone of their religious affiliation or not.

But, as one of my Facebook friends said to me the other day, what would have been required for that to occur was an unprecedented collaboration from what are obviously polar opposite viewpoints, and like it or not, I think in reality we were at a juncture this week where that was not going to happen, at least not here in sunny Minnesota.

So then one must begin to look at the next best option, prays, and hopes for the best solutions for all concerned. And I for one believe we have been fighting this battle so hard and long that I fear the repercussions from the alienation, whether intentional or not, that is currently felt by the SSA/LGBT communities from most organized religion, and in particular my own Catholic Faith. And that too is an occasion for sin, and can become a stumbling block towards the faith and even salvation of others very fast.

So I would just say I am cautiously optimistic here. MN has very possibly set some examples on how the work can be respectfully done, just for one example by inserting the word “civil” in front of the word marriage on the bill, a last-minute suggestion incidentally by a Republican State House member. I think that points towards the idea I pointed out at the beginning regarding separating the religious from the legal aspects of adult commitments to other people, whether traditional marriage or other. Perhaps others dealing with this issue will consider this same idea as well in the future.

I know that some are deeply concerned, and I am as well, that the more “traditional” religious side may not be protected enough in the bill as it currently stands, and I echo that concern. But that is now what we need to work on. The marriage issue, at least for MN, is all but settled. How we live with it becomes the next mammoth question.

Another FB friend suggested to me that he had no problem accepting LGBT persons (and I believe him), but he was not going to call such unions ”marriage” since they are not. I truly understand his point, but would only say that semantics are not the main issue here. From pretty much every LGBT person I have spoken with, I think that the word “marriage” has become very important to them primarily due to the fact that civil unions (at least as they have been passed thus far in other states), have not in fact given the same rights and protections as those in traditional wedded relationships.

Now one can argue that point until the cows come home and go back to the barn, but like it or not that is the thinking which exists, and passing a “civil union” which is for “those other folks” while reserving the rights of a ”real” marriage only for heterosexuals does create a certain status of “separate but not quite equal,” and in a year or two both opposing groups would be at this same battle all over again–and again. So I am not, personally speaking, sure that is the answer either.

That same person suggested that pretty much everyone already “accepts” LGBT people–not true, sadly. I wish it were. I am old enough to remember a time when, in the small rural area of “Minnesota nice” where I grew up, a 17-year-old young high schooler was supposedly drunk, fell in front of an oncoming car, and was driven over by (I believe) two cars before being finally pulled off the road, dead and bloodily so.  What really may have occurred was far more sinister if true. It had been rumored that this young man was “one of those types,” and was apparently beaten in a corn field and then thrown on the road for it.

The saddest part is, we will never know for sure which happened. Most involved, both on the law enforcement side and the possible perpetrators, have since passed on and it is difficult if not impossible to get concrete evidence in such a case 55 years later.  But I am 57 and it was in my lifetime. Yet no one–and I mean no one–ever spoke of it all the years I was growing up.  I learned of it less than a decade ago. And I for one do not want the world to go back to that kind of “silence is not-so-golden” world either. It was horrible injustices such as that which caused the LGBT rights movement to begin initially, as I shared in the last post, and that too is every bit as non-negotiable in Catholic teaching as the very complex marriage issue.  The Catechism states that “every hint of” unjust discrimination towards those with SSA issues is to be avoided.

That is a strong statement. It means not to even allow anything resembling discrimination to exist if at all possible. I have heard some take that same phrase and say “see it says we can discriminate as long as it is not unjust.” A fair reading will quickly show that was not ever the point. The point was and is to stay as far from, not see how close one can get to, discrimination against those with homosexual tendencies and behavior, whether one agrees with it or not.

So to me it is about rights and justice. And they must exist for both those of us who favor and support traditional marriage, which we as Catholic Christians view as a holy sacrament ordained by God, and those who see it purely from a secular viewpoint. Both need to be protected. I just pray that we can, now that it is here, learn to very honestly “collaborate.” If we do not, we all lose. Soon.

WHY I STAND WITH TRADITIONAL MARRIAGE…AND REJOICE WITH MY LGBT “FAMILY”

934627_562700940441498_1965664545_n (2)“He’s gone off the deepest end of the swimming pool this time,” you say. Well perhaps I have but I do not think so. An interesting thing is that Rome, on this topic as well as so many others, has many, many layers of theology and reason, all of which are both important and needing consideration in order to come to a cohesive understanding of the topic at hand.

MN will almost certainly become, as early as next week, the 12th state to legalize same-sex marriage. Note I did not call it, as is today popular and chic, “marriage equality.” Actual and literal marriage equality would necessitate polygamy, an issue from the last century or just before it, and very possibly the marriages of close relatives, also something which occurred more prevalently then and still occurs now in some states (19 to be exact). It could even mean that children could once again marry (the late country singer Loretta Lynn was married in 1948 at age 13) just as another example, and one, I would suggest, more serious than allowing non-related adults to marry of either gender.

All of those are instances of marriage “equality “gone awry and not particularly good for society. Many would put same-gender marriage in the same categories as the above, but I am not sure we can do that, either as a Church or society. Why not?

A stark history lesson going back to the Founding Fathers of the United States might be in order here for starters. Thomas Jefferson, who is often thought of as one of the ‘liberals” of the bunch who signed the Constitution into law, was of the belief that homosexual males should be castrated. And, up until the early 1970s, the condition of SSA (same-sex attraction) was thought to be a mental illness by most, which has now been refuted by the American Psychiatric Association in 1973, and most other health and social service organizations have followed suit. The American Psychological Association adopted the same position in 1975, as has National Association of Social Workers and numerous other mental health professionals since that time. Very few think otherwise.

On the other hand, the clear and unwavering teaching of the Church is in favor of traditional marriage, both for society and for the children produced by it. I am as well, and not disputing this ideal in any way. I wish to remain clear on this as I write what may now seem to contradict the interpretation of some within the Church on this matter.

With that, here is the rub between the last two paragraphs. Church authority as well teaches that we are not to discriminate against those with homosexual orientations in any unneeded ways, and to treat those of us from that background with the utmost respect and kindness. That line of thought is directly from the Catechism of the Catholic Church (CCC) of 1992. Yet if you present that line of reasoning to many, they will come up with astounding interpretations that support their view, yet are clearly contrary to the spirit and letter of the CCC. Just as an example, I have heard or read on several occasions that the “kindest” response would be to make homosexuality illegal again (which by the way has only been legalized on a nationwide level since the Supreme Court decision of Lawrence vs. Texas in 2003) in order to “protect us from ourselves.” That to me is akin to making smoking cigarettes or purchasing super-sized sodas illegal since both are clearly bad for us and somewhat addictive besides.

My point is this: some personal decisions and choices are going to be made anyway and either way, law or no law, and therefore are better gently regulated than outlawed. And I think my Libertarian as well as many staunch Republican friends would tend to agree. The sexual behavior of two consenting adults is, in my view, squarely in that category. I am not sure how it can be otherwise unless the police plan to stand guard at all houses and apartment complexes, with ears to the floor and allow only squeaky bedsprings with wiretaps tightly attached. On a practical level alone we just do not have the resources for such a police state nor would anyone sane, LGBT or otherwise, accept that in our day and age.

So how do we best obey Church teaching while at the same time offering true and authentic tolerance here? Obviously on a personal level we can and should share our Faith and values with our families, friends and neighbors. But I question if it is the best use of our time and energy to continually fight over this issue, and spending millions upon millions of dollars to do so. And in addition, intentionally or not, we are painfully alienating an entire segment of society in the process. I mentioned the 1960s earlier, and what many do not realize, because among other reasons it was not “newsworthy” enough to even be reported in the news, is that LGBT people were constantly being arrested, harassed, beaten, and tormented in those days, days within my lifetime. Was it not for Stonewall (see link here)—
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stonewall_riots

there might never have been even a mention of homosexuality within the Catechism promulgated less than 25 years later. The gay rights movement, whether one wishes to admit it or not, brought some very powerful and important changes which were sorely needed to society, and exposed to the light some of the horrific discrimination that did and still does exist at times due to sexual orientation. And sadly it was not the Church who first recognized this miscarriage of justice. The video below from the 1950s is one dreadful example of why people still think that LGBT people are “child molesters.”

On one level it is utterly laughable, but when I realize I missed by less than a full generation carrying such a stigma myself, and still have glimpses of it from the occasional few who are back in time with Jefferson and the others, I find it chilling to the freezing point. Were it not for amazing and courage-laden LGBT activists there would not even be discussion today of hospital visitation rights or wills shared between lifetime partners, much less permanent legal protections for couples in any way akin to marriage.

But, you may say “marriage” goes too far. And on a purely religious level I might agree with you. However one theological notion which has developed within the living Tradition of the Church, long before the issues of “marriage equality” or the sexual revolution ever occurred, is the principle of doing that which is “least evil.” It in fact is a standard which applies even and in fact especially to non-negotiable issues of faith and morals in a religious context. A simple explanation might be this—for the sake of societal concerns, there are times one must choose, whether politically or in other ways, what choice is the least problematic when, no matter which decision is made, all available choices may violate some or several of those principles.

I am of the belief, given the long-standing as well as recent history as well as present day of severe oppression of LGBT people, that some sort of “marriage” type of legal arrangement is more necessary than not, and that it should be similar and transferable throughout the nation too. Otherwise I fear, not a little but greatly, that the post-Stonewall advances discussed above made will fast be reversed, and I would hate to return to an era in the United States when it is legal to not only discriminate but to castrate those of us with SSA. We cannot afford to ever let that happen again. Neither in our lifetimes nor in our children’s. And it is naïve to assume it could not. Ask Matthew Shepard if you do not believe me.

I also know that there are very real dangers with “marriage equality.” The fears that schools and social service or adoption agencies among other groups will be drastically affected are not without warrant. Canada has had same-sex marriage in effect nationally for a number of years now, and churches have been very nearly forced by the government to drastically “tone down” their language in their teachings on the topic. To me those apprehensions are not insignificant or to be ignored. But the bottom line is, this is coming. To a state or nation near you. And especially near me. Most likely very soon in fact. So now is the time to begin seriously collaborating, which neither side has been particularly famous for on this thorny issue. And in the meantime, just as the late  Holy Father John Paul the First  congratulated the first invitro-fertilized couple upon the birth of their child, although conceived in a way that the Church did not in any way approve of or condone, I plan to gladly congratulate my LGBT friends who obtain the protection of law when they legalize their unions in a civil marriage. I will do so because I believe it is better than the alternatives which are now left available. While civil unions in theory might at one time have been “enough,” the example of Vermont, first a civil union state and now a same-sex marriage state, should clearly show us that the LGBT leadership will not be satisfied with “separate but almost equal” in this matter. Not anymore.

I believe and accept the fact that this will never be considered the “Church ideal” now would I personally ask it to be. I do not expect the Church to somehow create an 8th Sacrament for unions of the same gender either. But I move forward with the hope that she, our Mother the Church, will finally begin concentrating more on how to integrate our precious LGBT couples and, yes, families, into parish life when possible, and according to Church law, rather than fighting about whether they should even exist or not. That demographic is not going to disappear—and as my friend Joseph Amodeo eloquently wrote, they do not have “dirty hands” either. Many same-gender couples and parents could easily teach the rest of the Church a few things about love, sacrifice, and raising children in an atmosphere of love. Will we at last let them?

A PROTEST BY ANY OTHER NAME…Some Thoughts on the “Dirty Hands” Vigil–REVISED AND UPDATED WITH A PERSONAL NOTE FROM JOSEPH AMODEO…

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To every story there is a backdrop. And often that backdrop is in the form of a human being. In researching for this article, I found out that the organizer of the recent Sunday “Vigil” at St Patrick’s Cathedral, one Joseph Amodeo, did not do so in a vacuum, but rather after some very real and painful frustration that has been within him for far longer than this last weekend. No matter what one thinks of the event, and as you will see below my feelings are quite mixed on it, and before you vilify our very precious and valuable brother in Christ and the Church I would humbly ask you to read the blurb below about him and his own “Church history.” You might be quite surprised.  Links just below:

http://www.opposingviews.com/i/gay-and-catholic-questions-of-identity

 http://garibaldi-gay.com/?p=19612

 Now, having read these, next read his account of what happened Sunday–again you do not need to agree. Nor is my purpose in suggesting that you do.  Just “hear” his very real sorrow with your heart…for it is mine as well. And yours.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/joseph-amodeo/cardinal-dolan-denies-cat_b_3219675.html

It is clear to me that this post is going to ruffle some feathers, perhaps even on both sides of the issue of Sunday’s “Vigil” at St Patrick’s Cathedral in NYC. Whether you call it a vigil, protest, a bunch of “whiney people wanting publicity,” or a few very courageous men and women who stood up to the established Church in the face of near arrest, you would be right on all counts–at least in part. I say that because there were likely some of each camp in the group who gathered to both publicize and condemn remarks by Cardinal Timothy Dolan a few weeks ago regarding the LGBT community and “dirty hands.”

To gain proper context on this, first I will share those remarks in full, because without them it is impossible to begin understanding the aftermath. Here they are, directly from Dolan’s website:

http://cardinaldolan.org/index.php/all-are-welcome/

Personally I do not find the remarks offensive. He is attempting to walk the fine line between standing with official Church teaching and at least attempting to cause those with SSA (same-sex attractions) or who are actively LGBT (lesbian, gay, bisexual and transgender) to know that they are welcome members of Christ’s body, while at the same time suggesting that they, or should I say we (since I am SSA), are called to follow after the traditional understanding of sexuality as the Church has understood it historically.

I cannot fault him for that. Nor do I. Having said that, I do not think that most people understand how deep the pain and fear reside within those of us from those backgrounds, whether celibate or not. Even after returning to the Church in 2005, 35 years away and 15 of those as an LGBT activist, I had shed many tears over the unthinking remarks of my brothers and sisters in the Faith who have, in one breath, told me how much they “admired” me for my attempt to follow Church teaching as a celibate male, and then who in the next pushed me away when I reached out for their friendship.

I wonder too if people can understand how close to a physical pain it becomes when, while attempting authentic obedience to the Lord, we (I speak in general terms but these examples are things I personally have faced) are told over and over that our very desires are evil, something that the Church never once teaches and which Dolan to his credit clarifies in his post, and/or are said to have the “SSA disorder,” making it sound as if we are somehow pathologically unsound, or who would dare invite us to their homes but not to then give us a hug as a brother in Christ? The worst part, at least for me, is not in those things occurring, but that nagging question of “why?” which follows and haunts.

Perhaps, such as in the above, those who did not hug me just are not the “hugging types”—while I happen to be. And if so that is okay. But I do not know if that is the reason or if there is another more subtly brutal one, one that says “You, Richard, are welcome in my home, but not with those dirty hands!!!” The person who asserts that I have the SSA “disorder” may be genuinely trying to use proper Church language and nevertheless confuses what St Thomas Aquinas, (nearly 1000 years ago and a scientific galaxy away from today), calls “disordered” desires (and I might add the list he presents is rather long and not too many of us from all backgrounds are not on it somewhere) with what modern psychologists now call “disorders,” referring to mental instabilities of one kind or another. The use of the word is not the same in both cases, nor is it meant to be. But the modern mind hearing it equates one with the other very easily. And if someone flippantly says to me “Richard you have my prayers as you struggle with this disorder,” I don’t honestly know whether to hug them or slug them. Part of me says yes, that person is attempting to accept me, and I genuinely appreciate it, and the other part says, he or she is putting themselves above me by saying “you are disordered and I am not,” and that evokes a very different response within me. For the record I have not slugged anyone who has said such a thing to me, but I have, more than one time, winced as though I had been slugged myself. The pain is real, never goes away, and does not “get better.” Basic survival teaches us to live with it however.

And live we do—except for those who can no longer stand it and eventually take their own lives. The suicide rate is exceptionally high among those within the LGBT subculture if you are not aware. I am not sure what it is among those of us who live celibately but the pain of feeling alone and not being fully accepted by either side is at times horrendous. That I can tell you first-hand. So I am guessing it is likely higher than average there as well. And just perhaps, as pro-life Catholic Christians, of which I am one, suicide prevention needs to be on our lucid list of concerns too. I think so anyway.

Take the person who “unfriended” me on Face Book because he wanted no more “drama” from me. We had a definite disagreement, but it was based upon a very felt perceived hurt I had about a totally separate situation–or was it? I admittedly complained to this “friend” because I felt he no longer was interested in me as a human or a person. He ignored my posts and never, or at least very seldom, responded to mine on his page. Now with FB anything can happen, and often does. It is very possible that his seeming ignoring of me was because he was merely overly busy, or having a hard time in his personal life, or a dozen other possible reasons.

“Don’t be so sensitive, Richard!” tends to be the unsolicited advice which more than one has told me in such situations. The problem is, I also knew his general attitude towards gays and lesbians, and he knew of my orientation/inclination towards those of my own gender. So that added layer of uncharted fear provided grounds for me to wonder, whether logically or not, why he was ignoring me, and I dared to ask him. I thought I was doing so with charity, but I also did it quite directly, as I have learned over the years that “beating around the bush” simply adds, not eliminates, drama, at least usually. But his response was, in his words, that he had “no interest whatsoever” in having a friend who carried on such as I did, and I have wondered then and since if he would have responded in that particular way to his wife, to a member of his parish on a face-to-face basis, or the like. And I will most likely never know.

So how does this connect to “dirty hands” and Cardinal Dolan? Both more simply and with more complexity than ever meets the eye. When I as a person with SSA hear the words ”you are welcome” in our Church, I rejoice and say, “finally.” When I hear “but wash your hands first” I begin to despair a bit. Our Lord Jesus always invited people as they were–Simon Peter, who was to later become the first Pope and leader of the Church after our Lord’s Ascension, actually argued with Him in response to His invitation and told Him to “depart from me Lord for I am a sinful man.” St Peter did not do so because he actually wanted Jesus to leave him alone. Not at all. He was desperately crying out and saying, “Jesus, do you realize how unfit I am, how I curse and swear, how I am capable of denying your Name and one day will do so, right when you need me most, how I will limp along as I follow because my foot is generally in my mouth or in other people’s lower cavities? Have you heard the filth I think and occasionally say when the fishing does not go well? And have I mentioned that I get very tired of that sissified John and his brother James who never do their share of the work?”

Yet that was the very Peter who Jesus invited. One who maybe–at least maybe–said or thought those very things, although Sacred Scripture spares us of most of it.  But Jesus called him anyway. And I might add that fishermen in those days (or ours) are not noted for “clean hands.” Jesus called him and then cleaned him up. But we want it the other way around. We want people to “toe the line” or to quit “calling themselves Catholics.” Or to just leave and go somewhere else before they get our hands dirty by their continued presence in complicating our lives.

Someone I also knew on FB, a young Catholic man who I finally ultimately unfriended because of post after ignorant post about the immorality of homosexuals, just celebrated his first wedding anniversary. His baby is at least 6-8 months old, and by my math his zipper did not remain intact before his wedding night. I do not condemn him for that and never have. And never would I. But he has no problem attacking “faggots” such as me, and yet again in the same fleeting mouthful of typewritten air plainly told me that he respected my following the Church in spite of my background and attractions.

But I felt absolutely bodily filthy, and not just in my hands, after going to his page time after time and reading sometimes 6-8 posts in one day about the slimy, grimy dirt of homosexuality. It obsessed him very obviously. I could easily say that he had, or perhaps still has, the OSA (opposite-sex attraction) “disorder.” Because certainly if my behavior has been disordered at times, and still is, so was and is his in his illicit sexual recent past. Has he been to Reconciliation and forgiven by our Lord? I know that he has. But how does he know who else has or hasn’t been there in the confessional line along with him, gay or straight, or who they did with what person the night before? Quite simply he doesn’t.

Does this mean I have turned soft on sin, or am suggesting that Cardinal Dolan need pretend he believes “gay is okay?” No. It does not. But it does mean I “get” how much it hurts to hear what is, rightly or wrongly, filtered freely towards those of us with SSA as a result of some of the statements and seeming lacks of compassionate action discussed above. And those are the tip of the iceberg within our Church and Christianity in general, very sadly.

On the other hand, I can sincerely understand St Patrick’s Cathedral not allowing in for Mass a group of people who deliberately charcoaled their hands and attempted to not call it a “protest.” Just from a practical level, in a huge world-renowned Cathedral with many items of great monetary and esthetic value, everything from hymnals to holy water could have been quickly rendered useless or at least contaminated by their actions within very short minutes. I think that there are quite likely better ways to have protested or “vigiled,” and using other people’s prayer times to do so goes against my grain personally as well. Also when you go to Mass with the express purpose of creating a news story and deliberately embarrassing the Cardinal, who, like it or not, is indeed the wielder of Catholic Christian authority in the “city that never sleeps,” it is rather safe to say that you can expect the NYPD Blues to be called in. Disturbing the worship and peace of others is not perhaps the best way of calling attention to your concerns, even if they carry some or even much validity.

I think that the same can be said about the Rainbow Sash movement, who in a very real way sabotage themselves, at least in my view, in the way that they protest each Pentecost Sunday (and sometimes in between times) at Cathedrals all over the country. Here in MN where I live, they have been invited to receive Holy Communion, but to first “remove their sashes,” and when they do not, they afterwards have publicly complained about being refused Communion. And that seems to be the only part of the story which hits the news most years. I wrote separately on this issue awhile back, and will be revisiting that post in conjunction with this one in the near future. So, the short answer is, no I do not think that these are the most valid ways to attempt dialogue with the Church on issues of contention. But…

Neither do I think that the Church as a whole can go scot-free here. History has shown us that, even by direct ecclesial Church authority over the centuries at times, homosexual people have been literally murdered within her ranks–and yet she has oft-times looked the other way when priests and bishops have had their own “gay subcultures” within seminaries or same-gender relationships in semi-secret.

For what I am about to say in this paragraph and the next, I wish to make it clear that I am not in any way suggesting disobedience to the Magisterium but simply sharing a personal opinion regarding a discipline, not a teaching or dogma, which was instituted shortly after I returned to the Church in late 2005. Since that time, Rome has officially barred those who have actively practiced or been involved in homosexuality in the past from entering the priesthood, even if currently celibate, unless their past involvement has been considered very “minimal,” (which is quite subjective in its interpretation even within the Vatican document dealing with this issue) and yet it has been estimated by some sources that possibly up to 1/3 of our current priests are same-sex attracted, and barring other issues they remain in place as active clergy. Note too that, even if that statistic is inflated, and it very well may be, it is still a significantly higher percentage than within the general population. And some of those are the very best priests and bishops, and yes Cardinals, out there.

Such a ban does not, in my opinion, help the situation but rather confuses it further, particularly since this direction from the Vatican was primarily in response to the child abuse crisis which was not and is not based upon one’s sexual orientation in the first place. And it causes men such as me to feel at times as though my “hands are too dirty” to do anything significant for the Church. I try not to listen to that voice of anger, rage and rejection anymore, but it definitely exists within me at times, and I would boldly suggest it is hidden inside every person with SSA, celibate or not, who has chosen to stay with Rome. To this lay person that type of prohibition therefore seem at very least inconsistent and additionally creates a hurtful and unneeded barrier to service for potential priests and religious, which are sorely needed whether with SSA or not. It also reflects sorely outdated thinking.

So what am I actually saying here? I am pleading to be understood, both as an individual and a group. I am not saying “Rome must change her doctrine,” because I do not believe that is a realistic option nor must it be. But she, our Church, our Mother, can and must at least give us the tools to “wash our hands” instead of just telling us to do so. And to be sure, some of those tools exist already and are vastly underutilized. Confession, the Eucharist, daily Mass and/or Sacred Scripture reading, the Rosary, Divine Mercy Chaplet, Liturgy of the Hours–these are indeed effective and needed weapons of warfare in an unfriendly world. But when we who are SSA are doing those things consistently–and in many cases far and beyond those who post hateful post after post about the “gay agenda,” then genuinely respect us for it. And not from some safe distance either.

In a word, honor those who are attempting to honor Christ with their lives, whatever their background may happen to be. And do so even if you disagree with them theologically. And share a towel and basin with them if needed. You must still have one somewhere–your hands too were once dirty after all.

 AND NOW:

As a postscript, and in the interest of full disclosure, I would like to add that I received a very lovely email from Joseph Amodeo, the organizer of this event, who was kind enough to read my article above, and he gently pointed out to me that it was planned all along, even in the printed instructions handed out to those in vigil last Sunday, to be sure and wash their hands before receiving the Eucharist that day. There was absolutely no intent to damage or diminish any of the beauty of St Patrick’s.  I then verified this and am providing the instructions as handed out directly below. It would appear to me that St Patrick’s at very least hugely overreacted to this entire situation, and I am sad for my brother in Christ and his brave group. One may agree or disagree with the Vigil itself but it was not done maliciously in my opinion. At all.  I think then a very real injustice was done in how this was both handled and, in some cases, reported. Thanks, Joseph, for bringing this to my attention.

First, with his permission,  Joseph’s email to me:

5:29am

Joseph Amodeo

Dear Richard,

Thank you for sharing your blog and for your statement of support. I found your post to be very interesting and I appreciate many of the points you raise.

One thing I am beginning to notice is that many commentators are failing to realize that we were all planning to wash our hands before receiving the Eucharist. In fact, as the organizers, we even posted these directions on the Facebook page for the gathering and distributed a hard copy of guidelines the morning of, I only point this out, because in our hearts, we truly sought to attend the Mass to be with Christ.

Even today. I’m saddened by the church’s response to our presence at the Cathedral.

Again, thank you for your post and for your message.

Peace, Joseph

 
7:19am
Richard Gerard Evans
May I add your letter as a comment on the post? I obviously missed that point as well.  In any
case I will add something about it. But it would be nice coming from you. God bless you so very
much.
And finally…
These instructions were clearly given before the actual Vigil event.  Whatever you may think of the actual Vigil itself, I think in fairness it cannot be denied that those participating and leading this event were doing so with kindness, humility, and a spirit of love for Jesus in the Eucharist as well as in each other. We can all learn from this. I definitely did.
 

Good morning,
Tomorrow is the day. Please see the event description for additional information about where we are meeting at 9am.

Also, I wanted to respond to a few concerns that have been shared with me regarding tomorrow’s silent presence at St. Patrick’s Cathedral: … Respect for the sacred nature of the Eucharist is of the utmost concern of the organizers. In light of this, we are encouraging those who are participating and who wish to receive the Eucharist to wash their hands using a supplied “handi-wipe” as they prepare to receive the Eucharist or receive such on their tongue. Upon returning to their pew, they will be able to re-darken their hands. This action will not only maintain respect and reverence for the Eucharist, but will also hold a symbolic meaning — we are all clean before Christ even if some members of the Church’s hierarchy view us has having dirty hands.

As a reminder, this will be a silent vigil.
For those who are unable to attend Mass, please join us at 11:20AM outside of St. Patrick’s Cathedral for a silent vigil/presence. We will meet on the sidewalk across the street from St. Patrick’s main doors.

 

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(CNN) -- An angry outburst at a mosque. The posting of a suspicious YouTube video. A friendship with a shadowy imam.

Those were just some of the signs that Tamerlan Tsarnaev, accused of masterminding the Boston Marathon bombings, had adopted a virulent strain of Islam that led to the deaths of four people and injury of more than 260.

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RICHARD'S THOUGHTS HERE: I returned to "all things Roman Catholic" in 2005, after 35 years primarily as an evangelical Protestant (and occasionally a few other things as well). Unlike many I know, I did not return due to this gigantic search into the early Church Fathers or the Didache. I came back because, first and foremost, I missed the idea of receiving Holy Communion each time I attended church, and I also felt as a single person with a same-sex attraction/LGBT background, that I needed some accountability in those areas. The idea of a completely frank and confidential (and free!) confession appealed to me, especially knowing I could receive this too any time I felt the need. I was not at that point thinking Sacramentally in either case.

It was in fact months before I was clear on the Real Presence of Christ in the Holy Eucharist (Communion) although I knew that He was somehow there in a mighty and spiritual sense. It was equally a fairly extended period of time before I honestly believed that the ministerial priesthood was actually, Biblically speaking, given authority to forgive my sins in the name of Christ. Although I had studied both the Bible and the Catechism of the Catholic Church a fair amount before that October return, much if not most of the more in-depth study was done after, when I decided to be Confirmed at long last, which I was in 2006. In short I came back, but through what some would term as the "cafeteria" entrance. Point one then--do not assume that, just because someone is a "cafeteria Catholic," that they love Christ less than you do.  Okay digression over.

In any case even after that time, I had two major periods where I pulled away from Rome for a few months each. To me, those was a necessary part of my journey, because I could not honestly say I was clearly yet "sold" on everything Catholicism taught, even officially. I thought I was, but found myself second-guessing. And I had to honestly admit that, both to myself and to others who I had thought would understand. I spent many, many hours of agonizing prayer working those things through, and finally "came back without looking back."  And for that I can only say I am both relieved and at peace.

BUT--I say all of this to say something else. The most unkind and judging remarks I have ever received in my whole life, far beyond being an Assemblies of God minister and then "coming out" as a gay man, were from my Catholic "friends" who somehow assumed I was deliberately betraying the Church--and them. That was never the case. Was I confused? Yes. Vocal? Yes, as well, and primarily in order to maintain some sort of integrity in the process of those struggles. If I had it to do over I would have chosen a few close friends or family to share my concerns with, and no one else, other than my priest of course. But as they say hindsight is 20/20 and it was what it was.  

I publicly asked--actually implored in fact--for people to pray for me. Some to their credit did--in fact many. But there were those who felt it their Divine duty to tie me to the stake "with green wood," as it were, set the slow fire, and call me names such as heretic or worse. The irony in this is that most of those doing so were converts from evangelical backgrounds, who were most likely just as rough on Catholics at one time in their lives as they then had become on me.

That is the real and abiding danger of not recognizing truth, and real truth, in other religions and other people's searches for meaning in life, even if you do not understand how they could possibly think or behave as they do. Neither you--nor I--know what is going on in their hearts. To think we do goes beyond danger and directly towards what this article warns against.

It is one thing to disagree--and we can do so with charity. It is quite another to name-call and vilify. Even during one of my stronger periods of time in the Faith, I was criticized and quite roundly for supporting Jefferson Bethke, the young man who made the famous or infamous video on why he "Hated Religion" but loved Jesus. They missed the part of the video where he stated clearly that he in fact loved the Church and that his point was anything but  against Christianity as a "religion." It was there and he even wrote extensively about it on his blog later. They also missed the fact that he had been raised as a "Christian," but  yet missed the point about a personal conversion and commitment to Christ. And, dare I say this, a "personal relationship" with our Lord goes beyond one's belief about the Eucharist or which Christian community to be part of. It is the heart, soul, and foundation of all the rest. That was his point. And I believe he was right, even though it made some very uncomfortable. Me included.

Having gone through what I did online (and in some cases in person) during my "detours," I get what Bethke is saying and why he felt the need to do so. It was the Church people, and as I said specifically the converts or reverts to Rome who had lived on both sides of the aisle themselves, the ones who had "found the true Religion" who were the most angry and unkind to me when I struggled. I am still mystified why. But I do now understand why Jesus was so hard on "religious" folks and had such a raw and  honest connection with the prostitutes and sinners. The second group "got" His message. The first did not.

I think that there is something we each, regardless of our beliefs, can gain from this article if we choose to. I therefore post it in that spirit, and with the sobering realization that I too must be careful of not becoming one of the Pharisees who in their day made being a Christian so very dangerous to the point of death. Or the Catholics who planned to kill Martin Luther and other Protestant brothers and sisters in Christ, and in many cases did so--St Thomas More, a canonized saint who I happen to in many ways think highly of (and who was a Franciscan--a follower of peaceful St Francis of Assisi!) burned 6 people alive himself before King Henry VII finally turned on him and he was eventually beheaded for his own Faith, imagine the Vatican today having an actual "plan" in mind to kill off a few Orthodox Patriarchs or Billy Graham for that matter. It seems so far removed and ludicrous to us in the 21st century that we forget it is indeed part of our checkered history as Christians, whether Catholic or Protestant. And of course it went both ways. John Calvin did the "green wood" routine I earlier mentioned on Michael Servetus, simply for not believing in the Trinity! Both sides need to quit pointing fingers here. Or guns. Or bombs.

 In short we must quit crucifying one another in the name of the very God who loves us all.

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WHAT THE SOCIAL MEDIA “HOW TO” BOOKS DO NOT ALWAYS TELL YOU…But I Will

Conversation

Conversation (Photo credit: Bright Meadow)

Awhile back, someone who I had really respected told me that we quite apparently “use Face Book” differently, and strongly implied or said outright that I was expecting too much of people I did not know. He was and is very possibly right to some extent at least. Then again I suspect that is true with pretty much all of us.

What had initiated the above conversation was that I  lately had gotten into all kinds of difficulty when posting a “complaint” on my FB page that I wanted more interaction from people–i.e. meaning personal chatting, saying hello, and the like.  And I do not mean only FB friends. This goes for in-person friends and relatives too. We do not have to agree on politics or religion to care about what is happening in one another’s lives. The problem was that another particular person interpreted that comment as meaning I wanted to start what he called a “lively discussion” on my page, so he proceeded to do so in spades. And when I ended or at least curtailed that chat, he (person # 2) ended our online “friendship” in no uncertain terms.  And perhaps in that case it was indeed for the best.

On the other hand, many times I post an article, simply because I find it interesting and/or thought-provoking, and then the response is total silence. I do not necessarily mind that either to an extent. I am not one for big infighting and calling it “conversation,” nor am I particularly excited about turning my social media outlets into Debate 2.0. So I may allow a certain amount of that but then I, as my own FB page owner and monitor, generally end that particular chat. And that is my right and prerogative.

That technique by the way is something I learned in many years of ministry, as well as in numerous other public speaking venues over the years–and even something those of you in business or sales have likely learned over the years as well. if you initiate a discussion, you also can and should ultimately control and limit it when needed. In fact the President does the same during press conferences, as does the Vatican and it occurs at pretty much every public speaking event you or I might attend. Ever heard the “time for one more question” 2 minute warning?  That indeed is a clear form of controlling public forums before they get out of hand. And it is perfectly appropriate to do so online when needed as well.

But that is not so much  clear on Face Book or other “social media” for whatever reason.  I have seen blogs or other pages where there are 300 or more comments and the increasingly inane arguing continues ad infinitum. And, apparently, that is what people expect or even hope for. It becomes one gigantic online episode of a rather twisted combination of “Jerry Springer” and “Dr Phil.” And, by that time, no one listens or reads one another’s thoughts or bothers showing even basic respect anymore. That is not my idea of an intelligent or even lively ”discussion” personally. So I have been known to say “enough,” sincerely thank people for their participation, and then go on and move on. My right. And more than that, I think quite often my duty in order to keep the chat or page from bogging down or becoming completely unedifying. Again, something I learned from years of interpersonal communications on a face-to-face and public speaking level, as well as extensive telephone and other communication work in my careers.

Springer giving a speech at Emory University i...

Springer giving a speech at Emory University in 2007. (Photo credit: Wikipedia)

But that to me is what is sorely missing when I get on here. I was told by this 1st person that he was on here to primarily interact with family, friends in his area where he lives, and then “others,” which even after 2 years of some very intense conversations, I was clearly one of. I wrote back to him, at his request, about my very honest hurt at his attitude and he never even responded. So I finally and sadly unfriended him just a couple of days ago. What bothers and ever confuses me is that the ”social media” has seemingly some set of unwritten rules which I clearly cannot wrap myself around for whatever reason. What would be considered polite chat in person becomes similar to road rage online. People curse at one another, find friends after 30 years only to lose them when they find out your life has gone differently than they expected, and onward, upward, and yes, downward too.

Let me give you another specific example. Since high school I had searched for a particular person who I had lost touch with. Several times in fact I had looked for him on various occasions.  His fiancée, a dear friend of mine at the time, was killed tragically in a car accident when he was just 18 and she 19, and I had known her pretty well too so I befriended him after this horrible event. We corresponded beautifully for a number of years, but, as often happens we lost touch eventually. Through a  mutual FB ”friend of a friend” I at long last located him once again and was truly overjoyed. Over the years I had prayed so very often for this individual and still to this day hurt deeply for his loss, which was a loss for others of us too, but was extremely glad to find out he had married happily, had a beautiful family, and was doing well. One day I found I had been “unfriended” by him with absolutely no explanation. I wrote to ask him why, as I was totally mystified. He then told me it was due to my Catholic oriented postings on such topics as relics!!! He also said he was not a “friend collector” on here anyway. Nor am I, although apparently he had not noticed that part. I had added him because I literally had so much missed talking to him over the years and really, truly cared about his life and welfare. But his evangelical world did not allow for discussions about ”relics” and so I was out. Just like that. He never once asked how I had been doing over the last 30 years, what struggles I may have had, or even why I had ended up Catholic again (we were both evangelical charismatics when we initially met). But one post too many about a religion he did not believe in or agree with was all it took to kick me to the curb without a word. So bon voyage it was.

In the other situation which I initially started this posting with, what is ironic is that I use, or attempt to use, FB and other media exactly as he does in fact. But on his FB page he has had long and drawn-out arguments that have gone on for days at times, and all I ever did was to support him strongly in most of those conversations, even when they became heated. He is an intelligent person and well-studied, and I knew had gotten a hard time from certain of his family and friends. In short I could relate.  When I rather deeply struggled last summer for a short time concerning my own relationship with the Church, he continually hunted me down and hounded me using my blog, his blog, a mutual friend, my personal email (which I eventually had to in fact change as a result) and would just not let up until we were communicating once again.

However now that I am ironically clearly on the same team as he, I am virtually ignored by him. And even after 2 years, my suggestion of a simple phone call a few weeks ago pretty much nailed the coffin shut on our friendship once and for all. That kind of personal interaction with those “others” was not on his list of “rules of personal media” at least seemingly. It was okay to get into intensely personal conversations with me, at first a virtual stranger, to then chase me down and all but stalk and harass me when he disapproved of my actions, but when I proposed a communication by telephone I somehow crossed some ethical or invisible line I did not know about. I became the dangerous dog who was in one of those yards with electric protection not seen by the naked eye. I trotted innocently to the edge of the yard and–ZAP–he was done with me basically. And again bon voyage.

I was raised in a small town, and, although having been a city boy by choice for many years now, still have a certain amount of that other side to me. I for instance do not understand seeing someone in the hall at work without saying hi to them. Normally people answer, but if someone does not answer me after 3-4 times I finally get the hint and do not bother again unless they reciprocate. But I always at least initiate it. Same in my apartment building. I consider the people here to be my ”neighbors,” and I suppose that is very Gomer Pyle or worse, Fred Rogers, of me to some pseudo-sophisticates who see themselves as younger and smarter than old guys such as me.  And it also sets me up to be hurt from time to time. And the occasions where I have very nearly pulled the plug on my online “operations” have always and each time been due to reasons such as those. I am closer to 60 than 50, but still somehow expect, or at least naïvely hope, for actual and real “friendships” to at least sometimes develop from FB or other contacts on the Internet.  And once in a while they do.  But I have come to the conclusion that they primarily  do not exist on here. At least not often.  None of the people who encouraged me to start writing even read my posts, and that includes friends and family, at least as far as I know. The few on-liners I have ever dared to allow into my life on any personal level have almost never become “friends” in any tangible sense in the long run. And, worse, such as in the 2nd example above, I have actually lost friends I had waited for 20 or more years in many cases to re-connect with.

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gomer_pyle (Photo credit: candid)

In sharing some of these frustrations, and that is what they are, with others I have been misinterpreted by some people as “feeling sorry for myself” or, and in this case perhaps more accurately, expecting too much from online supposed connections. Ironically almost none of my real-time friends are on here anyway. And I now know why. Mark Zuckerberg, the young multi-billionaire and CEO of Face Book, says publicly that his purpose is to “bring the world together.” Nonsense. If that is what he believes he is doing, he needs to take a refresher course or two in interpersonal communications and learn how to interact with kindness and charity, and then teach and insist that others do the same on his “social network.”

Mark Zuckerberg, May 2007

Mark Zuckerberg, May 2007 (Photo credit: Wikipedia)

I have lost more friends than I have ever gained online (and from talking to others I find I am far from alone in this), and I believe I am actually  pretty good in my interpersonal skills overall, at least in person or real-time. But in a virtual “world” with no real rules or direction as to what is “right or wrong,” helpful or not-so-helpful, in those types of communications, each and every one of us have and will continue to have very different expectations about what that should look like and it shows. And with nearly a billion people on Face Book or other social media, from many dozens of other nations and cultural norms, conflict, and some of it very painful, is just plain inevitable. That needs to be rule # 1 for anyone attempting online communication. And it is a rule I have yet to grasp fully.

I first signed on to America Online in 1995, which is now at this writing 18 years ago. Those who today are the “online media gurus,” such as Zuckerberg or my FB friend Brandon Vogt, author of the very well-written and helpful book The Church and the Social Media and current quite the darling of the same, were literally small children then. And this is not a put-down of Brandon’s book–not at all– or even of Zuck–well maybe partly so in his case. It is perhaps instead a cry of honest pain from those of us who have been genuinely injured at times by the same media that they and others, me included, love so much. It is an appeal for the human element. And I am not sure it will ever really exist on here. I am learning sadly to think not.

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CNMC 2011 221 (Photo credit: s.maentz)

... For They Know Not What They Do

Reblogged from a simple man of God:

Give yourself something: get wisdom over at Proverbial Thought.

As the soldiers led him away, they seized Simon from Cyrene, who was on his way in from the country, and put the cross on him and made him carry it behind Jesus. A large number of people followed him, including women who mourned and wailed for him. Jesus turned and said to them, “Daughters of Jerusalem, do not weep for me; weep for yourselves and for your children. 

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RICHARD'S THOUGHTS--I am going to reblog this without further commentary. I think my brother in Christ Jesus, Daniel M Klem, has pretty much said it all. Please read. And may we heed as well. I will add one link here however, and that is to my good friend Mike Patrick and his very sane assessment of this whole issue.  Well worth reading too. The link is:

http://iamnotdoneyet.blogspot.com/2013/04/is-boston-bombing-terrorism.html?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+ImNotDoneYet+%28I%27m+Not+Done+Yet%29

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